Separate Leaderboard for different types of bikes - mountain, gravel, road etc.

[KeepingQuiet]

I feel as though there should be a category and koms based on type of bike chosen in profile. EBike, Mtn Bike, Gravel, Road. 

I am getting an ebike and the comments have already started about if my ride posts will be valid since it may take a KOM of another rider. Until fixed I will keep these rides private so I do not get any negative comments but adding the category would remove the issue. 

[anchskier]

I disagree with this idea.  There are a number of reasons why this would not be practical.  First, there wasn't a "gravel" bike or whatever a "speed bike" is in the first place, years ago.  This means that there is tons of data already in the system that is not tagged with the correct bike type and there is no way everyone is going to go back and fix that.  This will result in a lot of mixed data in the leaderboards just from historical rides.  Second, many people don't bother to designate what type of bike they are using in the first place.  Third, as biking continues to evolve, the difference between what people consider a "gravel" bike and what they consider a "mountain" bike is getting blurred.  Same goes for the difference between a "road" bike and a "grave" bike.  You would end up with one person calling their bike a mountain bike while another person would tag the same bike as a gravel bike.  Fourth, this is nothing like the issue of separating out e-bikes.  That is a clear-cut designation, human powered vs motor-assisted power.  

Personally, one of the fun parts of segments for me is figuring out what the best "tool" is for the specific segment.  Sometimes a MTB will be best due to trail surface conditions (roots, rocks, other features), and other times a gravel bike or even a fat bike might be better.  It's all part of the fun.

[leonardolima]

Its your right to disagree! But your key points leads to the question...

Why E-MTB is a separated segment? So if doesn't exists performance differences from GRAVE, SPEED and MTB bikes, and this don't matters and bothers others members... 

When a guy uses a GRAVEL into a dirt road, he have the same advantage or more than an ebike (if default, non unblocked) so he will steal the KOM from the best MTB rider, and how this is different from an ebike taking this KOM? 

When Strava team separated bikes and ebikes also had tons of data, and they just forced ebike riders to create new segments... and who dont tag his equipment correctly.. should be flagged.. as happens when an ebike rides in normal segments

[anchskier]

@leonardolima - E-MTB is separated because it is a motorized bike compared to a human powered bike.  It is very different than human powered bikes and has been separated since they were initially allowed on the platform.  

[leonardolima]

@anchskier - I partially disagree, because e-MTB is has a motor assistance and depends from human power to run... if there is no pedal from the athlete.. he falls like a normal bike... I accept that the motor gives an advantage for a athlete using it.. but this is the key that I'm trying to defend.. this advantage also exists when we compare a GRAVEL bike with a normal MTB

[anchskier]

@leonardolima - Actually, only a small percentage of e-bikes would "fall" if the rider stopped pedaling.  Most have a throttle that allows them to go even without pedaling.  What you seem to be missing is the difference between human powered only and motor-assisted.  That is the clear designator that separates e-bikes from regular bikes.  As far as trying to separate different types of human powered (regular) bikes from each other, it would just create a total mess on the leaderboards.  You have over a decade of historical data in the system mixing them with no designation between different types of bikes.  How would you clear that up?  How would you come up with a guideline to determine what is a "gravel" bike versus what is a "speed" (whatever the **bleep** a speed bike is?), or what is technically a "mountain bike"?  How would be ensure people actually followed those guidelines with EVERY BIKE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE SYSTEM AND EVERY BIKE THEY USE IN THE FUTURE?  A majority of riders in Strava don't bother to identify which bike, much less which type of bike, they are using.  Separating the leaderbords for different types of bikes would just create a bunch of different leaderboards with totally unusable, unreliable data.  

[leonardolima]

@anchskier 

"Most have a throttle that allows them to go even without pedaling" this isn't our reality here.. most of users here have only assisted bikes without any throttle button... so if don't make sense to separate leader boards by types of bikes... why not mark activities using assisted bike all the same... and leave electrical bikes leader board just for non human powered?

Here we call ROAD BIKE as SPEED BIKE, sorry.. forgot that have different names in the world... a GRAVEL bike is a road bike frame, bigger front crown, thin tires

[AbiridesXC]

Add "Downhill MTB Ride" "XC MTB Ride" "City Ride" "Road Ride" "Gravel Ride" and "Velodrome Ride" to better differentiate and search for segments. It would also allow to re-implement KOMs on downhill MTB segments.

[Marsch]

… also would find it very helpful to differentiate between GRAVEL and MTB … if not for the overall leaderboards, than at least for one’s own efforts. 

[Millsy]

I have a particular KOM that I achieved in 2015 on an ordinary road bike. I am now 3rd apparently event though 7  of the top 10 have a lightening ⚡️symbol next to their time. The current KOM is an ex-pro who discusses how he blasts KOM's on his e-bike. 

It took me a year of training and attempts to get this KOM. 

We have separate league tables for men and women. The idea that e-bike are not separate is just ridiculous. Who wouldn't love a magic extra 500w continuous output. 

I've been a member for 10 years. This one single issue may see me doing some screen dumps for posterity and leaving Strava. 

[Jan_Mantau]

@Millsy The lighthening symbol means power meter sensor, not e-bike. E-Bikes have their own leaderboards for decade as repeatedly mentioned in this and many other threads.

[stinhambo]

@Jan_Mantau This is incorrect - e-bike mtb rides are counted together with normal mtb rides in club leaderboards and there's no way to filter them out.

[Jan_Mantau]

@stinhambo This thread is about segments,  not clubs

[Millsy]

Righto... my mistake.... so I was beaten after 8 years by a couple of Pro's.... I can live with that. The purpose of chasing this KOM was because it was long, hard and really popular...

😎

[Wallao]

Eu já enviei essa sugestão para o Strava. Porém sugeriram que eu entrasse na comunidade para haver votação e aceitação. 

Bom em relação ao questionamento d E-bike isso já está resolvido e já foi muito falado por todos até aqui. 

Mas eu apoio, veementemente, a ideia de se dividir os Q/Kom's por tipo de bike. Pois você fazer uma escalada em uma MTB é diferente de subir em uma road... respeito a opinião de quem acha que devemos escolher o melhor equipamento para ir bem em determinado segmento... eu não concordo. Seria o mesmo que em uma competição misturar tudo: e-bike, gravel, road etc etc... imagina ?

Assim como há a opção de inserir o tipo de bike que foi realizada tal atividade, creio que dessa forma ela pudesse sincronizar equipamento x tabelas de classificaçoes. Bom já que uns con concordam e outros não, seria simples fazer uma votação.