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I noticed that someone recently asked that the minimum length of mountain bike Segments be decreased and the post was quickly archived by an admin on the basis that reverting Strava changes could not be discussed.

I have some sympathy for the poster - I was also somewhat frustrated by the recent increase in minimum length of bike Segments from 300m to 500m.  In my area there has been some good competition over Segments about 400 to 450m in length but such Segments can no longer be created or edited (the change happened as I was working on a new Segment of about 450m - it now finishes closer to a T junction than I would like but editing is no longer possible).

I don't remember seeing any requests from Strava users for such a change in the previous Strava Support forums so I wonder if someone at Strava could give some background to their reasons for making the change and their methodologies for determining minimum Segment lengths for each Activity type ?  Clearly measurement accuracy is a factor on shorter Segments, but even on a 300m bike Segment the accuracy should be within a couple of % which seems OK.

Add me to the list of frustrated users.  I was wondering why a short but steep road segment (400m and 90-160 seconds to complete for most riders) wasn't listed and wanted to see how I was progressing but was foiled by the length rule.  I fear Strava is slipping back to the dark days from a few years ago where they did everything they could to alienate their most loyal paying customers.


Why are we now paying for Strava yet getting features taken away? This is ridiculous. Minimum length should be 100m at the least. My local mtb trail network consists of about 20 trails all under 500m in length. Its really disappointing that i cant make segments on them. Surly u can bring this feature back Strava. This is a huge reason why me and my friends use strava. So we can vs each other.. now we cant even do that. 


Why are we now paying for Strava yet getting features taken away? This is ridiculous. Minimum length should be 100m at the least. My local mtb trail network consists of about 20 trails all under 500m in length. Its really disappointing that i cant make segments on them. Surly u can bring this feature back Strava. This is a huge reason why me and my friends use strava. So we can vs each other.. now we cant even do tha


Make it only quality devices are allowed to be added to leaderboards? ive noticed that devices without the satellite option 'All + Multiband' offer average results at best. 


Good idea. they need to be minimum 100m tho. Theres soo many good short trails that id love to add. 

 


100m i say... 


Great point. Mayb only allow ppl with a decent GPS device to create segments too. 


What a joke. This is all about less maintenance, more profit. 

Strava if you add some sort of feature to let us delete poorly created segments then we can do your dirty work for you.


Intersting - this is over a year old and still no comment from Strava themselves - do they not realise that we are their PAYING customers. I'm going to share this to get as much visibility and traction as we can.


I will not be renewing my subscription. Member since 2013. The allowance of any moron to mark "hazardous" any segment and not time downhill segments are two other major issues. Their opinions should be kept to themselves.

Arrogant executive management and VCs do not listen to the serious riders, they solely want to extract profit and then sell off to another set of VCs. Which means butchering a product / service to appeal to the lowest common denominator and gain market denomination.


Length isnt the problem. its ppl using cheaper watches with poor GPS settings. If you dont have the option of multi GPS then it sometimes posts incorrect data. It happens on longer segments too. I just flag it when i see it. my mates watch does it sometimes. 


I own a Garmin Epix 2. It has the option of "All+Multiband". This option is extremely accurate. even when riding in places in the middle of nowhere and heaps of tree coverage. 
Mayb each activity should show the type of GPS setting too? 


I guess that it’s mostly driven by cost-saving initiative but come on! I understand that limit for road, but for MTB — no! Please, allow to create short segments for paid customers only or omg, charge for short segments)) but it should not be just impossible


Is there a workaround for this? For example, if I have a 400m trail that I want to create a segment for, if I ride 300m, turn around and ride 100m back up the trail, then turn around and finish the trail, in theory I've covered 600m and the start and end points are where I want them to be.

If I then just ride the 400m trail, will Strava record the time OK without me doing the reverse bit? Obviously the average time will be wrong, but apart from that would this work?


What is the minimum length of a run segment? Can subscribers create segments shorter than regular users?


Did you try it?Does it work?


What is the minimum length of a run segment? Can subscribers create segments shorter than regular users?


On zwift, there is the acropolis sprint (around 450m in length) but it doesnt show up as a segment...


Why can't I create segments shorter than 500 meters for cycling and shorter than 300 meters for running, even though I have a subscription, when I've seen shorter segments on Strava?

For example running segment only 280 meters long: https://www.strava.com/segments/19339033


Strava left previously created segments as is but new segments can't be created shorter than new limit.


Because Strava is crap. It is simply a matter of data storage, there is no technical reason that prevents the creation of sub 500m (1640ft)segments.
They choose not to allow it. The same way they choose to allow anyone to mark a segment “hazardous”. 
Many users have on going battles recreating segments because of the “safety and paranoia police”. 

 


500 m limit sucks. All the trails in my city are under 500 m 🤷‍♂


These Community Hub threads seem a total waste of time...  there never seems any proper involvement or discussion from Strava... just a discussion amongst ourselves.  Whilst I'm here (wasting my time) I'll say once again....  make it possible to create shorter segments on off-road rides (including those on emtbs). Otherwise there will be more and more somewhat valueless segments created that have been artificially lengthened to get around the artificial limit. 


The minimum length of a cycling Segment was 300m but it was (unfortunately) increased to 500m in about May 2022.  Thankfully Strava did not remove earlier shorter Segments (with numbers below about 31.7 million) and these are still in use.  You may also see Segments shorter than 300m (with numbers below about 14 million) which were created before the 300m limit was applied.  FYI, the shortest cycling Segment I have completed was 45m, with a KOM of 6 seconds !


Strava this is ridiculous. We used to have shorter segments in the past and they worked fine. Bring them back!!

Here are some new trails near me that would be more than long enough for segments yet due to the 500m limit they cant be made. Why are you making Strava worse? Shouldn't u be making it better?


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